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Marin officials lodge complaint against PG&E

Mucrury News -- Marin County energy officials have filed a complaint with the California Public Utilities Commission over what they claim are attempts by Pacific Gas and Electric Co. to quash their plans to offer an alternative, cleaner energy source to county residents.
The Marin Energy Authority announced the complaint Friday, claiming that PG&E was violating state law by seeking to kill the Marin Clean Energy initiative.

The initiative, a program of the authority, is intended to increase the use of renewable energy in Marin County. It would also place the authority in the position of a competitor with PG&E as a provider of electricity in the area.

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Submitted Mar 14, 2010 By: JOHNNY95206

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honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:15,252 Points:1,141,025 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 10:40:32 PM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse my3sons: yes, PG&E and many other electricity generating companies in the country are against cleaner burning materials. Why? Because it means cuts into their profits if they have to change their dirty ways and even more when they face competition.
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:15,252 Points:1,141,025 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 10:39:18 PM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse Of course PG&E would have issues. It's cutting down their monopolic status. Which business likes to see the branch upon which it sits to be sawed off?
my3sons Champion Author New York Posts:4,455 Points:1,506,535 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 3:21:44 PM Ignore my3sons Report Abuse they are against cleaner burning fuels?
POLELANE Champion Author Ohio Posts:7,148 Points:828,370 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 12:20:48 PM Ignore POLELANE Report Abuse pretty good at electricity; but apparently still failing in public relations
wild3bill Champion Author New York Posts:1,868 Points:1,418,415 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 12:20:19 PM Ignore wild3bill Report Abuse This was why the government forced power generation half to be split from the distribution and delivery half of the Business. I live in the hudson Valley and PG&E scares me. After my local power company, NYSE&G was split, I read that Energy East, the Gerneration half was taken over(hostile)by a European company that paid $28/share. The other half, which kept the NYSE&G name, was taken over by a California company for $2/share(possibly PG&E).
wild3bill Champion Author New York Posts:1,868 Points:1,418,415 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 12:05:31 PM Ignore wild3bill Report Abuse PG&E were th bad guy in Erin Brocavitch too !?
MUSTANGSRUS Champion Author Ontario Posts:7,373 Points:1,506,045 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 12:00:28 PM Ignore MUSTANGSRUS Report Abuse To WonderfulMI - I think that you have hit the nail on the head.
Iversonfan Champion Author Richmond Posts:1,039 Points:72,240 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 11:59:27 AM Ignore Iversonfan Report Abuse as much as big oil cheats its customers its amazing how much fighting there is to keep there profits high and have over priced gas and oil on the market which is slowing down the growth as a nation .. wow
wegman Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:5,486 Points:1,626,560 Joined:Jun 2001	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 11:54:52 AM Ignore wegman Report Abuse Hostile marketing - that is public relations. Lawsuits - in this day and age that is an unfortunately common tool. But the Greens use them a lot more than the energy industry. Threats - I'd be interested in the nature of the threats. Now there might be misguided laws that unfairly restrict the ability of PG&E to act in its self-interest, but the first two items don't strike me as terrible things to do. And as almost all renewables cost more than current technology, I'm inclined to believe that Marin is either engaging in deceitful marketing (more renewables, same price) and/or will tap into taxpayer money for their plan (not illegal, but not where I want my tax money to go). Greens cry wolf AND use lawyers to implement their misbegotten plans all too often. I'm inclined to see that as the case here - I do NOT trust 'Green' power companies.
nehemiah Champion Author Portland Posts:3,041 Points:551,690 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 11:51:19 AM Ignore nehemiah Report Abuse yet another reason we need to invest more in alternative energy research
jeepman64 All-Star Author Indiana Posts:909 Points:847,660 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 11:43:34 AM Ignore jeepman64 Report Abuse And the lawyers line their pockets in the meantime.
foxups Champion Author Toledo Posts:3,252 Points:645,060 Joined:Feb 2004	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 11:41:48 AM Ignore foxups Report Abuse need more competition out there
gasforus Champion Author Michigan Posts:6,766 Points:1,725,565 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 11:40:28 AM Ignore gasforus Report Abuse ok
TXGasPriceSpy Champion Author Fort Worth Posts:5,317 Points:1,009,275 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 11:39:15 AM Ignore TXGasPriceSpy Report Abuse California is a great place to visit but I'm sure glad I don't live there.
toadNY Champion Author Albany Posts:4,553 Points:1,045,575 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 11:38:44 AM Ignore toadNY Report Abuse Good post WonderfulMI,
fedex09 All-Star Author Missouri Posts:626 Points:686,380 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 11:38:24 AM Ignore fedex09 Report Abuse The older company wants to keep the newer greener company out. This has been the same old story since business began.
granma3xnow Champion Author Indiana Posts:1,998 Points:410,675 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 11:35:14 AM Ignore granma3xnow Report Abuse Of course PG&E is fighting it.....THEY HAVE A MONOPOLY!!!!!
WonderfulMI Champion Author Michigan Posts:9,019 Points:1,319,805 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 11:35:08 AM Ignore WonderfulMI Report Abuse Yes, by gum! Crush that competition! Especially if the competition does not pollute. Pollution is what many companies are built on. Pollution made this country what it is today. Make your product and let someone else clean up the mess is the motto of many companies. The "old"energy companies are terrified that clean green energy will become cheaper that polluting energy. It already is, when one factors the true cost of pollution on our health.
HailstormCA Champion Author San Diego Posts:5,851 Points:1,072,950 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 11:33:43 AM Ignore HailstormCA Report Abuse Go Marin County! But will the rates for PG&E customers go up to pay for the court fight. TAKE IT OUT OF THE PROFITS!
twiper1 Champion Author San Diego Posts:5,472 Points:1,138,460 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 11:32:43 AM Ignore twiper1 Report Abuse The exesting energy companys need to improve the way they make energy. Not block the newer ones that want to make it the green way.
Wizrd03 Champion Author Illinois Posts:5,771 Points:1,165,110 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 11:32:15 AM Ignore Wizrd03 Report Abuse yuiyui has valid points. The local county agency can create a new agency to sell power (lord knows where they're getting it from) AFTER application and Approval from the public service comission. I'm assuming they're like another Enron, marketing power but not delivering - PG&E has the wires to deliver in their service territory. Marin must pay a fee to sell power over those wires which will be passed on to the customer. Marin must secure contracts to supply continous power to the customer, PG&E won't be responsible to "fill in the gaps" when the wind doesn't blow or the sun doesn't shine. Where's that comming from - some Wyoming coal plant? We all know that the non incentivised cost of renewables is probably 50% higher than the mix of power offered by the utility, so who's Marin kidding?
Ticoman54 Champion Author Miami Posts:4,940 Points:1,056,025 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 11:31:42 AM Ignore Ticoman54 Report Abuse The GREED continues and PG& E is a blazing example of it.
njerald Champion Author Seattle Posts:5,478 Points:1,165,625 Joined:Oct 2007	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 11:31:41 AM Ignore njerald Report Abuse Screw Marin county.....
vizilo Champion Author British Columbia Posts:4,458 Points:2,336,870 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 11:30:52 AM Ignore vizilo Report Abuse How exciting!!
repeater1 Champion Author Topeka Posts:6,038 Points:1,913,470 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 11:28:46 AM Ignore repeater1 Report Abuse Somebody is afraid they are going to lose customers with new technology they are not invested in. Nothing more than a stall tactic by PG&E
Doubleeez Champion Author Connecticut Posts:5,080 Points:908,695 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 11:28:16 AM Ignore Doubleeez Report Abuse Go Marin - why should P G & E have the right to challenge you?
DirtDauber Champion Author San Antonio Posts:4,410 Points:1,161,275 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 11:26:45 AM Ignore DirtDauber Report Abuse It is no wonder that California is broke.
doncNJ Champion Author New Jersey Posts:5,189 Points:1,043,095 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 11:25:54 AM Ignore doncNJ Report Abuse What about the dear ol taxpayers.
karmadrome Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:1,290 Points:417,255 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 11:24:12 AM Ignore karmadrome Report Abuse Yes, let's move to all electric vehicles. Forget oil greed, no, instead we have altruistic energy companies like PG&E. rolls eyes
kyrunner Champion Author Lexington Posts:6,588 Points:1,232,090 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 11:23:15 AM Ignore kyrunner Report Abuse More gnashing of the teeth by another tax funded government agency who I am sure are using taxpayer funds to compete with a private company. I say enough with the government agencies!
Toppers Champion Author Atlanta Posts:6,673 Points:2,006,475 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 11:22:31 AM Ignore Toppers Report Abuse Good 4 them...
wizzard1222 Champion Author St. Louis Posts:6,209 Points:1,832,040 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 11:10:50 AM Ignore wizzard1222 Report Abuse True public interest should be served !!!
CPGas1815 Champion Author Michigan Posts:4,171 Points:725,405 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 11:09:01 AM Ignore CPGas1815 Report Abuse Does anybody remember Erin Brokovich? PG&E has demonstrated deplorable behavior in the past. Looks like they are back to their dirty old tricks. PG&E mouthpieces should just shut up or sit on a transformer. That would give them a real power enema!
PrepHermit Champion Author New Jersey Posts:5,794 Points:1,181,110 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 11:04:36 AM Ignore PrepHermit Report Abuse But is it really a viable option?
nurdco Champion Author Colorado Springs Posts:6,578 Points:1,226,435 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 11:04:30 AM Ignore nurdco Report Abuse Give me... PG&E a tax break like the auto industry
Hugo40 Champion Author Kentucky Posts:5,275 Points:1,151,450 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 11:03:44 AM Ignore Hugo40 Report Abuse Everyone gets squeezed but mostly the consumers.
ILANGE9 Champion Author Illinois Posts:5,185 Points:1,130,675 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 11:02:57 AM Ignore ILANGE9 Report Abuse There's always someone.
adr47 Champion Author Saskatchewan Posts:4,840 Points:1,016,830 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 11:01:55 AM Ignore adr47 Report Abuse Put the screws to the big Guys.
balljars Champion Author Michigan Posts:6,130 Points:1,216,175 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 11:01:24 AM Ignore balljars Report Abuse Too much government in everything.
RoadhogMA Champion Author Boston Posts:4,209 Points:895,045 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 10:59:37 AM Ignore RoadhogMA Report Abuse Yes Go Marin .
smoketown Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:3,984 Points:931,690 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 10:58:48 AM Ignore smoketown Report Abuse Sure , squeeze out the little man.......
fire@53 Champion Author Philadelphia Posts:9,597 Points:2,327,425 Joined:May 2003	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 10:57:45 AM Ignore fire@53 Report Abuse I guess PG&E does not like competition.
mysub Champion Author Las Vegas Posts:6,872 Points:1,874,040 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 10:57:05 AM Ignore mysub Report Abuse It's California. I need not say more.
CLM06 Champion Author Tampa Posts:6,841 Points:1,496,065 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 10:54:36 AM Ignore CLM06 Report Abuse I'm amazed that PG&E is still around with all the law suits against it over the years
yuiyui Champion Author Atlanta Posts:9,560 Points:998,670 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 10:53:59 AM Ignore yuiyui Report Abuse I for one would like to hear the other side of the story. This IS California after all. I've nothing against alternative energy but: - is the MCE taxpayer funded at all? - is PG&E really fighting dirty? It's not fair to slam them w/o hearing the other side. Just like the perpetual motion machine energy for "green" sources that cost the same always sets off my suspicion meter.
Don20 Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:7,287 Points:2,152,095 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 10:53:28 AM Ignore Don20 Report Abuse An example of the adage, whatever you do you cannot please everyone..
GasholeMI Champion Author Lansing Posts:7,768 Points:1,250,615 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 10:53:21 AM Ignore GasholeMI Report Abuse I wonder what this will cost the taxpayers in California. I hope they are all very wealthy.
bababooey2 Champion Author Hartford Posts:3,985 Points:835,090 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 10:52:30 AM Ignore bababooey2 Report Abuse Whoa
impala2008 All-Star Author Ontario Posts:594 Points:214,030 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 10:51:38 AM Ignore impala2008 Report Abuse That's california
LongPlay Champion Author Albuquerque Posts:2,894 Points:841,045 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 10:51:32 AM Ignore LongPlay Report Abuse Not clear from the article but Marin County should not be able to use our tax dollars to compete with a utility company.